I think if the expected max earn stays about where it is now. I think removing the cap simplifies updates for everyone but especially I think removing the term capped/uncapped tpe will simplify new players understanding of the game. As currently capped tpe is one of the rules that every rookie asks their locker room about.
02-27-2019, 06:50 AM(This post was last modified: 02-27-2019, 06:52 AM by Baelor Swift.)
wow look at these poll results...
Can't wait for a few seasons down the line when people start complaining about TPE inflation
The cap is a great feature that helps non TPE whores to keep up while being a check for inflation. It's really not confusing although certainly can be a bit of a bitch for updaters but as long as they always cross-check with the previous update I think most issues can be avoided.
08-24-2018, 01:08 PMWannabeFinn Wrote: Ah yes, the veteran meme player. A surefire bet for maybe 400 TPE
02-27-2019, 01:28 AMDangles13 Wrote: The reason for removing the cap would be because it can be confusing and doesn't really do its job. It also hampers people who want or have tried to code things for updating in the past.
Maybe check the SBA updating model. I think maybe these people are thinking of developing something much more complicated than what would be needed to simplify updating.
08-24-2018, 01:08 PMWannabeFinn Wrote: Ah yes, the veteran meme player. A surefire bet for maybe 400 TPE
02-27-2019, 08:05 AM(This post was last modified: 02-27-2019, 08:17 AM by Daco.)
Where is the option to make it lower? Like you said it's a bit moronic to have when you only offered 42 total. Make the cap 20 or 30 and it makes sense. The point of a cap is to make the league more competitive for your average user and offer more flexibility on which PTs they wish to do, so the use of this cap was totally pointless in both goals. I'd say fixing it makes more sense but if you don't want to improve it getting rid of it is the better option since it's totally pointless as is.
As it stands it's like this cap was made then new management took over and was like
"hey why do we have a cap"
-> "idk we just always have had it"
-> "oh ok so we will just keep it and not look into improving the way it should achieve the goal it was initially created for"
Now if a cap is even needed at all is a totally separate discussion; but under the assumption that its purpose is to bring up the average users experience and help with less active retention, what would help is what I initially mentioned. If we want the more capitalistic approach and let the rich get richer which I'm generally in favor of, you remove it. I mean I'm in the top tier of PT earners so my arguments have no personal bias or else I'd be arguing to remove it.
02-27-2019, 06:50 AMBaelor Swift Wrote: wow look at these poll results...
Can't wait for a few seasons down the line when people start complaining about TPE inflation
The cap is a great feature that helps non TPE whores to keep up while being a check for inflation. It's really not confusing although certainly can be a bit of a bitch for updaters but as long as they always cross-check with the previous update I think most issues can be avoided.
Totally agree, this is what you get when you let the masses decide and coincidentally it's the only the people who whore tpe that notice these threads to vote. Decisions like this are precisely why a head office exists to make necessary unpopular decisions
02-27-2019, 08:53 AM(This post was last modified: 02-27-2019, 09:09 AM by RomanesEuntDomus.)
Wow I gotta say I'm disappointed to see such a significant majority be in favor of removing the PT-Cap. The PT-Cap puts a sensible limit on TPE-whoring during the season without limiting people too much, basically all it does is allow them to skip a PT or two, or not do every single weekend PT. And I think it's good that we have that, I usually fall on the try-hards side in these kinds of discussions but in this case I think is the PT-cap is a good system to protect those with lower activity, and it makes for a more relaxed workload for everyone overall. The tiring aspect of PTs is not their length but how regularly and consistently you have to do them, so allowing people a skip one or two every season is a good thing.
The only real argument I do see against it is if it would get in the way of an automated updated system, but as long as we aren't closer to get one of these I don't see the need to get rid of the cap.
02-27-2019, 09:13 AM(This post was last modified: 02-27-2019, 09:14 AM by spooked.)
02-27-2019, 08:59 AM.bojo Wrote: I'll agree with removal only if there's a clear timeline of what points will be available a season.
Hoping you mean dates and times etc as well and not just a tpe plan for the season. Also kinda fucky to remove the cap cause it gonna punish people if they busy at all irl.
02-27-2019, 06:50 AMBaelor Swift Wrote: wow look at these poll results...
Can't wait for a few seasons down the line when people start complaining about TPE inflation
The cap is a great feature that helps non TPE whores to keep up while being a check for inflation. It's really not confusing although certainly can be a bit of a bitch for updaters but as long as they always cross-check with the previous update I think most issues can be avoided.
This is from earlier in the thread:
If the TPE cap's goal is to prevent inflation, it already isn't doing it. There's no reason not to get rid of it.
02-27-2019, 08:24 AMDaco Wrote: Totally agree, this is what you get when you let the masses decide and coincidentally it's the only the people who whore tpe that notice these threads to vote. Decisions like this are precisely why a head office exists to make necessary unpopular decisions
Unless I'm misreading this entirely, the thread/poll is for feedback and hardly law-binding. But yes, this is the trouble with "transparency" people don't like to talk about. If HO doesn't go with the way of the people, then 'they aren't acting in the best interest of the league,' even when many people in the league are inherently going to be voting in their personal best interests and NOT those of the league at large.
As far as the poll itself, which is what people actually care about ... I voted remove the cap. I will always be in favor of simplifying things for the league. I agree that removing the cap only works if we keep TPE opportunities "on par" with where they are and rework milestones, because as it stands the cap sounds pretty meaningless outside of the milestone system, which is pretty borked anyways and really the only "rich-get-richer" mechanic in the SHL. I honestly wouldn't be upset if we got rid of them altogether.
Lowering the cap also sounds like a fine option to me.
A notion I would like to posit in the spirit of simplifying PTs would be PT department consolidation. I talked about this on a podcast (maybe one of the times I joined Slappy and Bonk? idr). Every season, it's a process to explain to rookies the differences between SMJHL and SHL PTs, why you can do certain predictions but not others, why rookies don't have a cap but send-downs do, etc. No disrespect AT ALL to @"Jenny" and @"ej27", who have performed the job admirably for literally as long as I've been on the site, but I'd like to hear the counter-argument in favor of keeping rookie PTs separate from the rest of the league (not saying that to be a smart-ass, assuming there is some perspective I'm missing and genuinely want to hear it). If the goal is simplification, this would do a lot more than removing the cap.
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... I voted remove the cap. I will always be in favor of simplifying things for the league. I agree that removing the cap only works if we keep TPE opportunities "on par" with where they are and rework milestones, because as it stands the cap sounds pretty meaningless outside of the milestone system, which is pretty borked anyways and really the only "rich-get-richer" mechanic in the SHL. I honestly wouldn't be upset if we got rid of them altogether. ![[Image: zdenkoberanek.gif]](https://sig.grumpybumpers.com/host/zdenkoberanek.gif)
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